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Requesting Potty Training Help

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As you can see from the photo, I'm referring to "doggie" potty training.  Yup.....I need a bit of help here, from you, my readers.  I'm about at my wits end with Duncan.  To give a bit of background....he turned 4 months old on June 4.  He's sweet, adorable, appears to be quite intelligent in most other areas.....has responded to his name for quite awhile now, is able to "sit" on command for a treat, listens when we reprimand him for jumping on the kittens or going near Holly's food, is very well behaved with his crate training.  Sleeps ALL night, doesn't chew things he shouldn't.  Sounds like the ideal puppy, doesn't he?  Well....he is.  Except for this potty training business.

 

Okay, I admit it.....I got very spoiled from Holly.  I took her home at 6 weeks old and she was completely and totally housebroken.  I almost couldn't believe it myself!  But the couple I got her from (they had the mom dog, who was a purebred Boxer) well, he was a country boy from Georgia and I swear he had an incredible knack with dogs.  He told me do NOT put down newspapers when you get her home....show her where the door is, take her outside and she'll do what she does here.  He was right.  And now at 5 1/2 years old, Holly has never, ever, even had an accident in the house.  See what I mean about me being spoiled?

 

Then along comes Duncan.....I knew with a 6 week old puppy (that the breeder hadn't housebroken) there'd be accidents.  Heck, that's to be expected, right?  No big deal.  But I also thought that he'd probably be a snap to potty train because of Holly.  He watched her intently when she'd go to the screen door and scratch to go outside and I'd come right away and let them both out into the yard.  Sometimes he'd go.....sometimes he wouldn't.  When he did/does it's a wonder you can't hear me at YOUR house, praising him, complimenting him, getting all excited and taking him back inside for a treat.  Here's the thing.....if "I" don't think/remember about every 2 hours to let him out....he does NOT have a way to let me know.  No coming and sitting in front of me staring, no barking, no scratching at the door.  Nothing.  If I didn't know better, I'd think he was depending either on Holly or ME to get him outside and if we don't.....well, yes, you guessed it.  I find little surprises in the house.

 

So what on earth is a frustrated puppy owner to do?  Any suggestions out there?  I didn't think Ray's was a real good idea......don't feed him.  Ah, nope, that's not the answer.  (and just to clarify, he WAS joking)  How can Duncan be so smart in most areas and SO dumb with his potty training?  I'm also wondering if, possibly, when he's neutered at 6 months old if THIS might help.  And....is Mom expecting too much here?  I can't even remember what age a puppy SHOULD be fully trained.  So I'm sending out an SOS to anyone in the blog world that might be able to offer some suggestions.  Have to go replenish the paper towels and Lysol spray......See you tomorrow.

Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 at 9:20AM by Registered CommenterTerri DuLong in | Comments12 Comments

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Hi Terri...Michele sent me this morning...you were juust before me in the Alphabet Ciomment Game...Gee, my dear...I wish I had even one little suggestion, but....have not had a dog since I was a child and he was an outdoor dog! So I have not a clue! Hope one of your visitors comes up with a good idea!
I love the cartoon. I don't know much about that, they only peed inside as little ones and learned that one quickly.

The labs did not even poop outside at the cookout yesterday. They must be modest. As soon as we got home they went to the woods. Poor things!
June 19, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterDeana
I haven't had much experience potty training doggies, just little Wolfie. Here are my thoughts:

It doesn't sound like Duncan has an association with outside and going to the bathroom. So what I might try is takinng him to his favorite spots to pee and giving him the command go potty, even if it's every two hours. I also think it helps to watch them like a hawk and as soon as they indicate they might need to go - like sniffing the ground you take them outside and give them the command at the special spot. Or if he's peeing in a specific spot at home as soon as he goes there you take him outside. And if you can't watch him, crate him so you know he's not sneaking off and going. He also may not be learning to "hold it" I think he should be able to hold it a little bit at this point. So crating him might help that. I also know that Wolfie would hold it until I got home and the first thing I had to do was get him to go- also in the morning. I always use the command go potty tho.

It's hard tho, I hear you.
June 19, 2006 | Unregistered Commentergoofy girl
I can't remember just how we trained Buddy as a puppy, but I think we got real lucky! We're members of the SPCA down here in Tampa bay, and I thought I remembered reading one of their newsletters about potty training, so I looked it up online. Turns out they have a help line that you can call if you're interested, although it will be a long distance call for you. Might be worth checking out??
Here's the number:

FREE Behavior Helpline, 727-586-3591, ext. 133
Having a problem with 'Fluffy' or 'Fido?' Help is just
a phone call away. Here's what you need to do...

1. Call the SPCA Behavior Helpline. Just call the main number
727-586-3591 and ask for or dial extension 133.

Also, their website has a link to puppy training and housebreaking tips. just scroll down and check it out. No idea if this will help, but I thought I'd pass the info along just in case. Good luck!!!
http://www.spcafl.org/site/PageServer?pagename=helpline

If that link doesn't load up, go to the www.spcafl.org and then to "behavior problems".

I've been gone all weekend, so will be cruising your website to catch up. Got a kick out of the conversations between your pets! My oldest cat has stopped ignoring me since we got home, but I think the younger one didn't even realize we were gone. ;)

Hope your house is at least partly tilted toward the right side up stage by now, LOL! I'm having the same problem getting myself moving today, and I was only gone for 2 days! ack!
June 19, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterLaura
Oh how I relate! We kept the grandkid's two new puppies for 4 months earlier this year. Believe me when I say it was NOT my idea. In any case, and this is second-hand as I never did any puppy poo duty, the best idea was to watch them like a hawk, pick them up dribbling and run for the door. Seriously, Carole learned their signals and whisked them outside to the same area to do their business. It took forever, with plenty of messes to boot. Curiously, the small puppy was harder to train than the big one. Kind of like Holly and Duncan.
I hope you and Holly don't give up. The little guy will get it yet! Y'all have a wonderful week!
love
lucyd
June 19, 2006 | Unregistered Commentergoldenlucyd
Thank you to all who have attempted to help me solve the dilemma of Duncan.

Goofy...he does have his little special spot, and he DOES know the words "Do your poo" or "Do your pee" Because if we go outside and he sits looking up at me ever so cutely, yet stupidly, and I say that, off he trots to do it. So I know he does associate those words and the word "outside" yet...the problem seems to be that he lacks a way of notifying me. Although, I will say....after I ratted him out on here today, he seems to have done much better. OR is it ME doing better to remember every 2 hours? lol

Laura....thank you so much for all that info. I'm going to go check out the sites and if all else fails, I'll call down there and see what they say. Even my vet didn't have many suggestions, other than what I'm ALREADY doing.

Lucy...nah, Holly and I are troppers. We'll hang in here for the long haul. Besides which, Duncan's awful hard to resist...with all that puppy cuteness....lol
June 19, 2006 | Registered CommenterTerri DuLong
I was going to say take off the diapers, but with a dog I'm a little clue-less.

I love your upside down house shot. I know what you mean!

I hope you do make it for a spoken word night in October (3rd Saturday) and that you might share something too. Maybe I'll read the Father's Kisses poem for you then.
June 19, 2006 | Unregistered Commentercolleen
At the point that I was congratulating myself that Annie, the Yorkie, was finally house trained, my cleaning woman announced that Annie was not trained just more sneaky. She was now pooing behind the couch.

With Sammi the Doxie, I had great luck crating for 20 minutes after eating, and then taking her outside. She began to go to the same spot each time and had fewer indoor accidents.

Be careful what you tell them on command. Some comments said in private become hilarously funny in public. When housebreaking my dogs, I inadvertantly,used the term "hurry up" because they seemed to want to smell the grass forever. What happened was "hurry up" became the signal to do their job. Now, we ask them if the have to "hurry up" and they rush to the door. I must confess on a busy street or in the park "hurry up" sounds better then "Do your poo". Just a little suggestion.
June 19, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterMaria
Colleen....Darn. We arrive in your area on Mon. Oct. 9 and leave that Sat. Oct. 14. So unfortunately, I won't be there for open mic.

Maria...Too funny about Annie...well, not funny to you, I'm sure...lol Sneaky little girl, isn't she? Too late....Duncan truly understands, "Do your pee" or whatever. I'm stuck with that now.

The thing is....he can hold it from about 10 p.m. till 6:30 or so in the morning, when he's sleeping in his crate. I take him out immediately when he awakes and bingo! Every single morning...so maybe I"m complaining too much.

Laura....that site was good. One thing it said which I wasn't doing was....give the treat outside as soon as they go. Don't wait till they come back in the house. So I'm doing that now. And also it said that training might be more difficult for small dogs. Something I never knew. So I'm resuming some patience.....
June 19, 2006 | Registered CommenterTerri DuLong
Everyone had good suggestions, ones that I have used for Beans. I was lucky with her, she caught on fast mostly because she had Crackers (my sons Black Lab) to teach her and she is loud when she wants to go out. For Duncan to keep his crate clean all night is fantastic, the rest will come as he gets older.
June 19, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterJoyce
Our obedience-class teacher had us all use clickers (a simple plastic device that makes an uncommon sound) to mark the desired behavior when we'd get it, then treat. So you might want to go to the pet store and buy one, then the routine is: 1. give the command. 2. when he performs, (i.e. lifts his leg and goes) click. 3. when he finishes, give him treat or drop it on ground right in front of him, so he associates the grass where he's supposed to do his business with treat, praise, etc.
Good luck; sounds like a very smart little dog.
Hi mom,
you have to use the kennel. duncan has to stay in the kennel, he won't do his thing in his "safe haven", take him out when he cries and immediately put him outside, then bring him back in and put him in the kennel...
I went thru this with Jack and it only took 2 days to train him, as he hatedddd being in the kennel LOL, never had an accident again. i thought it was mean at the time, but it worked.
June 21, 2006 | Unregistered Commentersusan

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